It is improper or any human being who bears the name of Christ to insinuate any racial or nationalist or ethnic or gender slur against a fellow human for whom Christ died.
Not even in jest.
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Is it proper for witnesses to use racial comments?
by NotaNess ina few times, a couple of witnesses i work with have used a phrase about someone who's like a jew when it comes to their money, or saying a person likes to "jew" them down on pricing.. one time it was even applied to another witness.
"he's becoming like a jew with his money".
how do you view this?
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We need a secret hand signal!
by Miss 8572 indo you still go to the assembly just to laugh quietly inside?
wouldn't it be great for those of us that do still go to the assemblies and meetings,etc.
to have a secret signal that lets us know who we are?
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Hmmmmmm......... I'm getting this real cool idea. But only us old'uns will remember.
Back in the dark days of WW2 when it seemed all was lost, Churchill invented this "V" for victory sign. You held your hand up and used your index and middle fingers to craft a V - for victory of course. Victory over the forces of darkness, victory over the cult of death, victory over oppression
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Sheep, other sheep, other other sheep, Three classes of sheep?
by garybuss ini got this message from a forum member.. i think you may be confusing the wts' understanding of the "sheep" of matthew chapter 25 (who have not yet been separated from the "goats") and the "other sheep" of john chapter 10. the two groups are not (i.e.
no longer) considered synonymous.. .
what am i missing?
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I don't know what's up with you guys. I mean geeez its so bloody simple even Ted Jaracz can understand it:
There's those sheep that exist now but won't then, then there's those who don't now but will then and there's those who aren't now but will be and those who were but maybe, then there's those who wannabe but who won't, and those who don't wannabe who won't either, then there's those who can be who can't, and those who, because they can't be won't, there's those who tried to be but won't be and then there's those who, having gone round in circles for so long don't know whether they are or will be or won't, then again you can't forget the ones who coulda been but because they crapped on Teddy's shoes won't be, there's those who climbed up his arse so far they've disappeared, of course you can't forget those sheep who are more goatish than sheepish, [couldn't help that one, forgive me Lord] then you've got those sheep who are really pigs, those who are cows, [waddaya mean who's them? haven't you heard of the antitypical mad cows?, I mean there's antitypical other things, why not them Hmmmn? Teddy hasn't had the vision yet, but he will, he will] f'instance you've got the nethinim sheep, the sons of the servants of Solomon sheep, the Jonadab sheep, the Gibeonite sheep, The Jael sheep, Job's children sheep, the Queen of Sheba sheep, and evidently on firmer theological grounds since they were identified by Franz himself, the Judaized Persian sheep.[Wt 1950, pg 191] I mean you've got lots of sheep. There's this lot here and that lot there. Then there's me.
No, not you, bugger orf.
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Jehovah's Witnesses turned Christian....Post Here
by R.F. ini would like those of you former jws turned christian to post here.
specific denominations can be mentioned.
i'd just like to get an idea of how many of you there are.
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I think that a fundamental difficulty that the WTS has, and which no True Christian is permitted to have, is that the concept of the word "Christian" or at least our contemporary understanding of the word, transcends the rigours of denoninationlism. "Christian" and "Denomination" are not necessarily synonymous terms.
To be a Baptist one needs to be a Christian, but it is equally true that to be a Christian one need not be a Baptist. To be a Christian, either as a formal communicant in a denomination, or as a result of a personal affirmation, one must enter into a mystical union of believers who have expressed the same conviction, all down through the living history of the faith.
The NT, the basis on which the faith rests, views "Christians" not in terms of a denomination, or an organization, [indeed the NT often portrays the early believers as horribly DISorganized] but as an assembly of "called out" ones, those whom God has called out of the world of sin, and into a condition called ''grace" This assembly of the "elect" is neither geographical nor restricted to any time element. As long as the NT stands, Christians will, as their forebears have done, take that one step forward in a conscious affirmation of their belief in Him who gives substance to their faith.
Augustine called them a "mixed body" not necessarily made up of the best elements of human society. But it is a holy body, and despite the admixture of those "unholy" elements within it, it must in this time as in times past, affirm its commitment to its Head.
Despite the varieties of belief that characterize it, the universal Christian Community of believers is bound by four threads.
1 It is one. Though fragmented by denominations, True Christians are united in confessing ONE Lord, ONE hope, One faith, ONE baptism.
2 It is holy. This is because it is sanctified by God and indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
3 It is catholic. Its membership in both space and time has always been universal [catholic means universal] in that its membership extends across the globe in a framework that encompasses peoples of every nation, culture, ethnicity and, yes, denomination.
4 It is apostolic. The teaching of the apostles, entrenched forever in the words of the NT form the framework of belief, and the authority from which such belief derives. A Christian takes his/her authority from the Word, and bows the knee to no man or collection of men who claim to "speak" for Deity.
The Christian believes that the Holy Spirit speaks directly to the believer, but the problem, openly acknowledged, is our imperfect hearing. Hence the varieties of Christian belief. These differences are not evidence of disunity, just that Christianity today eschews conformity. Those who compel the expression of unity in terms of conformity are intruding their own postulates onto the universal Christian community. Although Christians dwell in separate tents, they live together.
In addressing the question of whether the WTS system of belief can be termed "Christian" the answer must revolve around the way they confront the assertion of Acts 15:14. God is calling out a people for His name.
Whose name? The record of the first Christians found in the book of Acts assigns only one name to these called out ones: CHRISTians [11:26]
Since the WT leadership, and their several writers who hide behind the subterfuge of anonymity, have themselves declared their allegiance to another name, with only tangential lip service to Christ, and since they have conveyed the idea, through mesmerizing repetition, their divine sanction to modify the meaning of Scripture, and since they have ascribed to themselves the authority resident in the Word, and since they demand unfettered obedience to their will as expressed in their literature, rather than the liberty that belief in Christ brings, I cannot feel it in myself to regard them as belonging to this community we call Christianity.
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Jehovah's Witnesses turned Christian....Post Here
by R.F. ini would like those of you former jws turned christian to post here.
specific denominations can be mentioned.
i'd just like to get an idea of how many of you there are.
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moggy lover
Baptist.
I love life, liberty, and the pursuit of learning.
May each one have the same right. No on should dictate, or by force compel, another's belief.
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6 Years on JWD today
by blondie inhave i stayed too long at the fair.
there are many names and faces that i don't see much any more.
my own style of posting has changed due to my limitations.. welcome to the new ones and stop by some of you we are missing if you can.. blondie.
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Congraaaatulations Oh great one!!!
All I can say is "Well done thou faithful and discreet slave"
You have been faithful in much, now you may be sure that your privileges are to be increased. The harvest is plenty and the workers, we band of siblings, are few.
However, your fans are many and your prose in great demand.
Sorry, but if that was a request to retire, then request is denied. Rather than curse the darkness, you have lit a fire and the flame is reaching into every known part of this planet. If your arms are tiring from holding that flame aloft, know that we are holding the flame on high with you so that all can see.
Tyranny will never extinguish that torch of freedom, and our right to think as free peoples is, and will always be, enshrined in your words. Your record has already established that.
Now.......
When can we expect the next study analysis?
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Webster's Dictionary
by Blueblades inwebster wrote the dictionary because of his wife.
every time he opened his mouth, she said, " now what's that supposed to mean?
blueblades.
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Garcon:
I'll have a ham and salad thanks.
Oh, and grill him while you're at it.
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Has anyone noticed?
by DazedAndConfused ini was reading truthseeker's post's about the summer convention.
s/he kept saying that the convention this year is focused on jesus.. i have been watching and comparing what is being said here and the things presented by the botchtower babble society, both in the local meetings and the assemblies/conventions.
it seems to me, without actually looking up post's, that what is presented to the r&f follows what is challenged here in jwd by a week/month or two.. for a quick example, this particular convention is speaking about jesus.... a lot.
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I suppose this proposition may be true, but the extent to which it can be addressed is a subject of tiresome debate. It is true that we can supply plenty of evidence to indicate that the WTS leadership, or at least the writers of their publications, have been forced to react to pressure from the outside, especially from us 'postates.
At least one example can be supplied off my mind, and that concerns the use of Johannes Greber. Evidently a mentor of Freddy Franz when we consider the high esteem Franz accorded Greber, and the various occasions that the Greber NT was quoted with apparent approval in WT publications, this bestowal of "divine" sanction, had to be reversed after increasing pressure from sources outside the Society became apparent. It was only when forums such as this revealed the demonic influence that clearly under-girded the Greber NT, and when this exposure was having a telling effect on the R&F, that the WT leadership backed away from their position. Couching their retrenchment in suitably ambiguous phrases, of course.
And this may extend to various WT articles that are suffering under the glare of circumstances. The regular increase in Memorial partakers over time, has obviously forced those who are the Keepers of the Flame, at WT headquarters, to drop their otherwise absurd 1935 timing on the intake of the "anointed"
Having said that, however, it needs to be taken into consideration that books released at Dist Conventions can take several years to craft. Much of the prose has to possess a certain level of ambiguity which may tax the creativity of any one writer. It takes a skill, honed over many years of duplicity, to articulate WT theology to the condition that makes it conventional. Every editorial equivocation, every enigmatic prevarication, every degree of incertitude has to be utilized so as to make the text say what the leadership wants it to say. Generalization must be clothed in dogmatism, and vagueness given substance.
What can be termed Standard Literary Procedures must be observed. For instance, since 1995, with the dropping of the 1914 generation teaching, the expressions "1914" and "generation" must never be placed in congruency, theological or grammatical. Despite the fact that every English dictionary of the last few years will give "Heaven" as the first meaning for "paradise" [See Websters, for Americans, Collins for British English] it is Standard Literary Procedure in all WT publications to always modify the word "paradise" with the additional noun "earth" lest the R&F get heavenly pretensions.
Then there are the legal parameters. The men with the slide rules and the legal imperatives have virtually hijacked the WT ability to express itself. The polite fiction that the increasingly decrepit "anointed" are crafting WT material is maintained only in the dark recesses of what passes for humour in WT circles.
All this means that the pre publication stage of a Dist Convention release may have to go through several hands, and various modifications. The present publication may have first been given a substantive identity before any Forum suggestions had been provided.
I rather think it is a circular, stereotyped mechanization that reveals why certain publications are eventually released. What goes around, comes around. Obviously some high pressure meeting established that a book on Christ had not been published for a while. So Presto! Out it comes. The same considerations are being applied to next years publication, and the year after that and the year after that......ad infinitum.
I am almost certain the publication for next year's Assembly has already been written, in answer to some need, legal or otherwise.
Having been written in 1985, and revised in '89 I feel that the "[Human] Reasoning" book is fast approaching its use by date. It just isn't ambiguous enough. It just doesn't say the different things it needs to simultaneously say that current publication do. Look out for a replacement soon.
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Another example of the jws lying about their history
by dedpoet inaccording to the watchtower of may 1st 1989, the watchtower society made.
"significant changes" to its practices in 1917:.
watchtower 1989 1st may - babylon the great takes a fall.
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Badboy, you bet Russell was an apostate.
If he walked into an average KH today, he would promptly be thrown out on his arse.
And this is the guy, according to the latest "revelation Climax" book, who is communicating through the spirit realm, with the WT leadership today.
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Mouthy's Birthday Party
by truthsearcher inhey guys, i went to the party this afternoon, and mouthy wanted me to post about it and let you know that she is really busy with company right now, but will post again sometime soon.. anyway, mouthy's party was lots of fun--almost everyone there were ex-jws.
i really enjoyed meeting them and talking about their experiences.
they all had their eyes opened in different ways--for some it was a gradual awakening, for others it was a sudden unexpected scripture verse and bingo, the blinders were off!
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Haaa...py birthday... to you....haapy birthday to you..... haaapy birth...day dear Mouthy.......happy birthday to you.......
Now common over 'ere and give us a big big kiss
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